Comments on: Introjuicing Chez Toi http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/ the Irish wine blog. Wine in Ireland. Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:10:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ian Golden http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1832 Ian Golden Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:17:42 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1832 Hi Gabriel, Tell me, are you a retailer? If so, are you based in Dublin somewhere and do wholesale? If so I will get in touch and compare your prices if you are interested? I currently use another supplier but would be happy to see if there is anything we could do... Regards Ian Mob: 086 1031161 Hi Gabriel,

Tell me, are you a retailer? If so, are you based in Dublin somewhere and do wholesale? If so I will get in touch and compare your prices if you are interested?

I currently use another supplier but would be happy to see if there is anything we could do…

Regards
Ian
Mob: 086 1031161

]]> By: Gabriel Cooney http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1829 Gabriel Cooney Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:45:24 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1829 send whoever is raking it in over in my direction, please! send whoever is raking it in over in my direction, please!

]]> By: Ian Golden http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1828 Ian Golden Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:36:46 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1828 Hi Gabriel, Thanks for the feedback. I know of some people in the wine industry over here in retail doing really quite well, and raking in money ~ sometimes I find it too much in fact. That said I also know of a few others in the trade struggling to stay open. The pendulum here swings both ways, and I think it depends heavily on location, location, location. It goes from rags to riches per say. And no matter how many are in rags, there are always others in riches from that. A 25% mark up when you are a large firm is really too high, distributing in bulk, that margin should be dropped so that those not having the ability to sell in bulk, manage to see it little. The benefits would pass down the chain to the smaller retailer, and then on to the consumer. But the buck stops at the door of the big guys. Hi Gabriel,

Thanks for the feedback. I know of some people in the wine industry over here in retail doing really quite well, and raking in money ~ sometimes I find it too much in fact.

That said I also know of a few others in the trade struggling to stay open. The pendulum here swings both ways, and I think it depends heavily on location, location, location.

It goes from rags to riches per say. And no matter how many are in rags, there are always others in riches from that.

A 25% mark up when you are a large firm is really too high, distributing in bulk, that margin should be dropped so that those not having the ability to sell in bulk, manage to see it little.

The benefits would pass down the chain to the smaller retailer, and then on to the consumer. But the buck stops at the door of the big guys.

]]> By: Gabriel Cooney http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1827 Gabriel Cooney Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:50:13 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1827 Hi Ian, thanks for that, it was just in your last comment you referred to "rip-off prices". Usually, rip-off means some flak coming the way for the retailer. I should point out that 25% is gross margin, so all costs, rent, salaries, etc have to come out of that. Most wine shops are barely scraping by, believe it or not, on 25% GM. Didn't mean to come across as sarcastic- hope it goes well for you - the more education we can get to consumers, the better!! Hi Ian,

thanks for that, it was just in your last comment you referred to “rip-off prices”. Usually, rip-off means some flak coming the way for the retailer. I should point out that 25% is gross margin, so all costs, rent, salaries, etc have to come out of that. Most wine shops are barely scraping by, believe it or not, on 25% GM.

Didn’t mean to come across as sarcastic- hope it goes well for you – the more education we can get to consumers, the better!!

]]> By: Ian Golden http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1826 Ian Golden Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:40:46 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1826 Gabriel, thank you for the remarks. I think though you should find that I did not suggest the retailer as the rip off merchant, so your sarcasm is unfounded really. I am only too aware of the government VAT, of which we have one of the highest on alcohol in Europe ~ and it is of this that I am talking about. If you are selling wines you are no doubt certified to do so, and in that, you will also know it is one of the 1st teaching points is the exact government VAT rates on alcohol. A 25% margin is still a nice profit in the bag too though for retailers, where as on the continent the mark up is of 10%. That alone is 15% more here than on the continent is it not? But the true rip off is indeed the government VAT rate. Thanks for the feedback. Gabriel, thank you for the remarks. I think though you should find that I did not suggest the retailer as the rip off merchant, so your sarcasm is unfounded really.

I am only too aware of the government VAT, of which we have one of the highest on alcohol in Europe ~ and it is of this that I am talking about.

If you are selling wines you are no doubt certified to do so, and in that, you will also know it is one of the 1st teaching points is the exact government VAT rates on alcohol.

A 25% margin is still a nice profit in the bag too though for retailers, where as on the continent the mark up is of 10%.

That alone is 15% more here than on the continent is it not? But the true rip off is indeed the government VAT rate.

Thanks for the feedback.

]]> By: Gabriel Cooney http://www.sourgrapes.ie/2009/11/27/introjuicing-chez-toi/comment-page-1/#comment-1825 Gabriel Cooney Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:00:17 +0000 http://www.sourgrapes.ie/?p=2324#comment-1825 Ian needs to familiarise himself with how a €3 wine in France very quickly adds up to €10 in Ireland before he goes around people's houses talking about wine! Working back from €10, you have 1.77 in vat and a hardly excessive 25% margin for the retailer, brings you back to 6.17. Take out duty and you are left with 3.67. Out of 3.67 as an importer you have to buy the wine, transport it here, store it in a bonded warehouse and try to make a margin. There is no rip-off except by the government!! Ian needs to familiarise himself with how a €3 wine in France very quickly adds up to €10 in Ireland before he goes around people’s houses talking about wine! Working back from €10, you have 1.77 in vat and a hardly excessive 25% margin for the retailer, brings you back to 6.17. Take out duty and you are left with 3.67. Out of 3.67 as an importer you have to buy the wine, transport it here, store it in a bonded warehouse and try to make a margin. There is no rip-off except by the government!!

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